The 16 most outrageous things Boeing employees said about the company, 737 Max program, and each other in released internal emails

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The 16 most outrageous things Boeing employees said about the company, 737 Max program, and each other in released internal emails
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The Boeing 737 Max still remains grounded worldwide following the crash of two aircraft.

  • Messages show Boeing employees frustrated with higher-ups, company culture, and consistent failures on Boeing's 737 Max program.
  • Frequent program missteps weighed heavily on overworked employees, the emails reveal.
  • Some employees appeared to take pride in deliberately misleading customers and regulators regarding additional training.
  • Boeing 777X program features some of the same issues, messages suggest.
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Additional internal correspondences from Boeing employees regarding the Boeing 737 MAX program that were obtained by Reuters reveal what employees may have really thought about the program they were working on, and how Boeing's culture contributed when it came to building aircraft.

The messages further show that the employees knew the program was flawed in its implementation, especially when making it fly similarly to the Boeing 737 NG to avoid additional training for pilots, but still deceived customers and regulators. Employees used bully tactics and tricks to convince customers and regulators, including what numerous messages referred to as the "Jedi mind trick."

Tasked with such jobs as demonstrating the aircraft's capabilities, helping fix issues, and working with suppliers, the employees were overworked and away from their families for extended periods of time, further sowing disdain for the program. Singapore, London, and Miami were frequent destinations for the employees, often away for extended periods at a time.

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These quotes show just how badly Boeing miscalculated with its 737 Max program and how its employees paid the price while contributing to its downfall.

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"This airplane is designed by clowns who in turn are supervised by monkeys."

"This airplane is designed by clowns who in turn are supervised by monkeys."

Boeing's 737 Max program employees knew the aircraft was flawed and had fundamental issues with leadership at Boeing. One of the main gripes by employees was that the managers and superiors didn't have the requisite technical understanding of the aircraft and couldn't fix its problems.

"Would you put your family on a Max simulator trained aircraft? I wouldn't."

"Would you put your family on a Max simulator trained aircraft? I wouldn't."

Program employees didn't even trust the aircraft with the lives of their families with another employee responding "No" to the question. The lack of confidence in the program is a sharp contrast from its predecessor, the Boeing 737 NG, which is one of the safest aircraft in the world.

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"Fortunately I have all the skills of a used car salesman, and I have the ability to use the Jedi mind trick"

"Fortunately I have all the skills of a used car salesman, and I have the ability to use the Jedi mind trick"

With Boeing wanting to sell the Max as nearly the same aircraft as the Boeing 737 NG, despite the two being different models, some convincing had to be done to regulators and customers. The messages show employees constantly pointing out differences between the two but took pride in the swindle, often referring it to as the "Jedi mind trick" and negatively referring to those who were convinced as "fools."

"Looks like my Jedi mind trick worked again! These are not the droids you're looking for"

"Looks like my Jedi mind trick worked again! These are not the droids you're looking for"

An email in the newly-released package appears to show a Boeing employee selling the similarities between the Boeing 737 Max and 737 NG to an airline 737 training employee based in Jakarta, Indonesia, where the airline that operated the first Boeing 737 Max 8 to crash, Lion Air, is based. Once the employee came around to Boeing's way of thinking, the email was forward to colleagues at Boeing to boast the achievement.

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"I'll be shocked if the FAA passes this turd."

"I'll be shocked if the FAA passes this turd."

The FAA has been criticized for being too complacent when it came to evaluating the Max, with elected officials even holding hearings on the topic. Approval from the US' aviation regulator is typically seen as a gold standard, with most foreign regulators following the FAA's lead.

"We'll probably have to go to other regulators around the world to Jedi-mind trick [sic] them into accepting the FSB findings, but that shouldn't be too hard."

"We'll probably have to go to other regulators around the world to Jedi-mind trick [sic] them into accepting the FSB findings, but that shouldn't be too hard."

Regulators that didn't follow the FAA's lead on accepting the similarities between the two when it came to a standardized type rating then found themselves subjected to the Jedi mind trick.

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"Well, I think with all the experience present, we should be able to gang up on them and steer it the direction we want."

"Well, I think with all the experience present, we should be able to gang up on them and steer it the direction we want."

Customers and regulators that the Jedi mind trick didn't work on, however, were subjected to bully tactics. Boeing's reputation before the crashes, after all, was one of trustworthiness and a history of success, especially in the prior 737 models.

"I still haven't been forgiven by God for the covering up I did last year."

"I still haven't been forgiven by God for the covering up I did last year."

Though unclear what was being covered up, the employee could've been referred to any number of issues related to the Max.

"Cant [sic] do it one more time. the Pearly gates will be closed..."

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"Is it too early to start drinking."

"Is it too early to start drinking."

With Boeing's supply chain and testing facilities spread across the globe, employees were often overworked and over traveled. Singapore, London, and Miami were frequent destinations of Boeing employees that sometimes required extended trips.

When one employee discussed getting a new bed for his back, he commented on May 1: "Although I won't be sleeping in it till June at the rate I'm traveling."

"I will go and do some useful stuff. Try not to think about the shit show…"

"I will go and do some useful stuff. Try not to think about the shit show…"

Employees frequently expressed their dismay about working on the program and joked about how physical harm would be preferable to working on the project.

When faced with another potential setback, one employee said: "But to be honest, I hope I get hit by a bus between now and then, really don't want to be there."

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"I don't trust many people in Boeing."

"I don't trust many people in Boeing."

The messages also showed the division between employees working in the company, a shift that some believe to have started when Boeing moved its corporate office to Chicago away from its Seattle production facilities, The Atlantic reported.

One of the main differences is between those who produce the airplane and those who market and sell it.

"I don't know how to fix these things…it's systemic. It's culture. It's the fact that we have a senior leadership team that understand [sic] very little about the business and yet are driving us to certain objectives."

"I don't know how to fix these things…it's systemic. It's culture. It's the fact that we have a senior leadership team that understand [sic] very little about the business and yet are driving us to certain objectives."

Though Boeing is regarded as the world's leader in aircraft manufacturing, with that reputation being threatened by the Max issues, most of its iconic aircraft were created in a different time where engineers ran Boeing, according to The Atlantic.

The legacy of the Boeing 707, 737 and 747, some of the aircraft that propelled Boeing into stardom during the jet age, have now been clouded by its current mishaps including battery issues on the Boeing 787 Dreamliner and the constant barrage of issues with the Boeing 737 Max.

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"I don't know how to refer to the very, very few us on the program who are interested only in truth But [sic] it's mostly depressing that it's so few."

"I don't know how to refer to the very, very few us on the program who are interested only in truth But [sic] it's mostly depressing that it's so few."

One of the theories presented in the messages regarding the status of the program was that problems were overlooked or under prioritized.

A large number of the problems presented in the messages stemmed from Boeing's desire to reduce additional training for pilots flying the Max and the NG to help sell the two aircraft as interchangeable.

"Our arrogance is our demise."

"Our arrogance is our demise."

While the 737 NG aircraft are some of the best-selling aircraft in aviation history, the Max has seen few new orders since the crashes. Airbus has surged ahead, with aircraft such as the Airbus A320neo family taking orders away from Boeing. Public trust in the company and aircraft has also weakened.

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"Sometimes you have to let things fail big so that everyone can identify a problem…maybe that's what needs to happen rather than just continuing to scrape by."

"Sometimes you have to let things fail big so that everyone can identify a problem…maybe that's what needs to happen rather than just continuing to scrape by."

The program, in the eyes of some employees, had grown to where drastic change was needed. The grounded of the aircraft following two fatal crashes ended up prompting Boeing to further investigate the totality of the issues with the Max.

"Best part is we are re-starting this whole thing with the 777X with the same supplied and have signed up to an even more aggressive schedule!"

"Best part is we are re-starting this whole thing with the 777X with the same supplied and have signed up to an even more aggressive schedule!"

The Boeing 777X is Boeing's latest widebody project scheduled to be the next-generation variant of the current 777 family. The 777X and 737 Max projects are similar in that they both largely build off of existing products and, according to the message, have the same potential for issues due to the suppliers being used and demanding production schedules.

Its production has already been delayed, Forbes reported, prompting airlines such as Emirates to reduce its number of aircraft on order.

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