- Nurse, organizer, and democratic socialist
India Walton is the Democratic nominee forBuffalo mayor. - She says she's not a Democrat because the party has not delivered.
- She says her policies are meant to help poor people, but they'll benefit the rich, too.
I'm Nicholas Carlson, the global editor in chief of Insider. Here's the latest installment of my series,
How is socialism different from
I've never studied socialism besides in grade school. My values most closely align with social programming and the belief that government should serve the people. Getting caught up in the conversation about socialism versus democratic socialism versus democracy is semantics. It's super confusing. The bottom line is that we just put people before profit. Simple as that.
You probably could have a similar policy agenda, just call yourself a progressive Democrat, and not have to deal with all that semantic baggage. So why not just call yourself a Democrat?
Because progressive Democrats have not delivered for the people, and I want to be accountable to the people that I serve. We also knew that Buffalo's
When some people hear the word socialist, even if it's part of "democratic socialist," they think that you want everybody to have the same amount of money and lifestyle, no matter how hard they work or how talented they are. Is that what you want?
Well you know, as mayor, I can't effectively abolish capitalism, right?
(laughs)
I think actually, if people are less poor, wealthy people are going to be more wealthy because there's more money circulating in the
So no, I don't believe that people who work hard should be the only ones being poor. Those that work hard should have an equal shot at justice and equity. That means that resources, especially when it comes out of taxpayer dollars, can benefit the working class.
I sometimes hear people say they don't want equality of outcome; they want equality of opportunity. Is that your goal as well?
Well you know, the word equality is sort of loaded. I prefer to use the term equity. What equity means is that if a person has been 50 feet behind the starting line for the last hundred years, then we have to provide them with that 50 feet to get them to zero before they can even get started, right? That's what equity means.
Our platform is on bringing people from the marshes and fringes into the mainstream and investing in things that we all deserve, like a quality education, housing, healthcare, and a good living-wage job.
How do you feel about the rich getting richer if the poor are too? You know, is that OK if that's what's happening?
If the poor are getting richer?
Meaning that, if you enact programs that help the poor gain economically, is it OK with you if one result is that it helps wealthy people too?
I don't know if the poor can get "richer" …
(laughs)
We live in an economic system where when people are less poor, the natural consequence of that, intended or not, is that wealthy people continue to gain wealth, right? So there's really no way for us to avoid rich folks getting richer.
But what we do need to do is appeal to the sensibility of a lot of wealthy folks, that they should pay their fair share, that they should pay their workers a fair and living wage. And society as a whole will do better when we don't expect certain people to suffer for the benefit of others.